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	<title>Comments on: Pull tab Coke in China</title>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Warren</title>
		<link>http://www.vestaldesign.com/blog/2007/07/pull-tab-coke-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-148524</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Mark -

Having lived in Peru for about a year, I do have some relevant background. Interestingly, there are more Coke bottle types in use there than in any other country - distinctly inefficient.  I remember you&#039;d see about a dozen different sizes and shapes on a day-to-day basis. Still, most of them are reused, not recycled, and certainly some of them are quite old. Probably not 40 years old.

However, you see lots of old machinery, presumably imported from wealthier nations, in places like Lima - the printing district there is full of old offset presses, paper slicers, etc. which are surely about 40 years old. For even more expensive equipment like bottling gear, you&#039;d think the economic incentive is even stronger to reuse/repair old hardware. Another consideration is that the pull-tab may be slightly cheaper to produce... but it looks like it&#039;d be the same.

I definitely hear you on the dirty tab issue... in Peru the shopkeepers would always wipe off the top for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Mark &#8211; <br />
Having lived in Peru for about a year, I do have some relevant background. Interestingly, there are more Coke bottle types in use there than in any other country &#8211; distinctly inefficient.  I remember you&#8217;d see about a dozen different sizes and shapes on a day-to-day basis. Still, most of them are reused, not recycled, and certainly some of them are quite old. Probably not 40 years old.</p>
<p>However, you see lots of old machinery, presumably imported from wealthier nations, in places like Lima &#8211; the printing district there is full of old offset presses, paper slicers, etc. which are surely about 40 years old. For even more expensive equipment like bottling gear, you&#8217;d think the economic incentive is even stronger to reuse/repair old hardware. Another consideration is that the pull-tab may be slightly cheaper to produce&#8230; but it looks like it&#8217;d be the same.</p>
<p>I definitely hear you on the dirty tab issue&#8230; in Peru the shopkeepers would always wipe off the top for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.vestaldesign.com/blog/2007/07/pull-tab-coke-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-146631</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming from China, I was surprised to find that Americans use the tugged-in tab for soda can. It is dirty! I always washed or cleaned it with tissue before I opened it until I became as dirty as Americans and no long care.

But in China, there is much dirt in the air and if you put any cans out in the open air, it will soon be covered with a layer of yellowish dirt. I don&#039;t think you can sell many cans of soda with the tugged-in tab.

That&#039;s the only reason. All those 40 year machine theory is just a guess from somebody who has never travelled to a third world country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming from China, I was surprised to find that Americans use the tugged-in tab for soda can. It is dirty! I always washed or cleaned it with tissue before I opened it until I became as dirty as Americans and no long care.</p>
<p>But in China, there is much dirt in the air and if you put any cans out in the open air, it will soon be covered with a layer of yellowish dirt. I don&#8217;t think you can sell many cans of soda with the tugged-in tab.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the only reason. All those 40 year machine theory is just a guess from somebody who has never travelled to a third world country.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Lin</title>
		<link>http://www.vestaldesign.com/blog/2007/07/pull-tab-coke-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-129477</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, that Schlitz graphic dates to 1963.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, that Schlitz graphic dates to 1963.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Lin</title>
		<link>http://www.vestaldesign.com/blog/2007/07/pull-tab-coke-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-129474</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, thanks for the clarification about regional bottlers.

The possibility that ~40 yr. old machines are still working is in some ways inspirational. ...can&#039;t really think of many things in my daily life that last that long.

As for the juxtaposition, I meant to illustrate that I thought it odd to see boy-band characters on a pull-tab can where you&#039;d expect to see an old-school &quot;Schlitz-esque&quot; graphic, like this:  http://www.chiptin.com/schlitz/history_images/histor16.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, thanks for the clarification about regional bottlers.</p>
<p>The possibility that ~40 yr. old machines are still working is in some ways inspirational. ...can&#8217;t really think of many things in my daily life that last that long.</p>
<p>As for the juxtaposition, I meant to illustrate that I thought it odd to see boy-band characters on a pull-tab can where you&#8217;d expect to see an old-school &#8220;Schlitz-esque&#8221; graphic, like this:  <a href="http://www.chiptin.com/schlitz/history_images/histor16.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.chiptin.com/schlitz/history_images/histor16.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Pfund</title>
		<link>http://www.vestaldesign.com/blog/2007/07/pull-tab-coke-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-129469</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Pfund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Jones - I definitely agree with you. There are plenty of things endangering human existence which are way, waaaaay bigger than just one pull-tab Coca-Cola can. Spending any effort on this appears frivolous.

However, I think this product is indicative of our current situation: we&#039;re still using 50 year old technologies where we should be expending time and creativity to break paradigms like that of drinking Coca-Cola, from a can, etc. We&#039;re very far from where we need to be, and if we can&#039;t even get this part right, what does this say about our hope for survival?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Jones &#8211; I definitely agree with you. There are plenty of things endangering human existence which are way, waaaaay bigger than just one pull-tab Coca-Cola can. Spending any effort on this appears frivolous.</p>
<p>However, I think this product is indicative of our current situation: we&#8217;re still using 50 year old technologies where we should be expending time and creativity to break paradigms like that of drinking Coca-Cola, from a can, etc. We&#8217;re very far from where we need to be, and if we can&#8217;t even get this part right, what does this say about our hope for survival?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Warren</title>
		<link>http://www.vestaldesign.com/blog/2007/07/pull-tab-coke-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-108014</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, just saw this post - I think this is probably to do with the fact that Coke is bottled not by the Coca Cola company, but by various regional bottling companies.  This is mentioned in the Wikipedia article as well.  So it&#039;s likely that the regional bottler simply hasn&#039;t &quot;upgraded&quot; to the new tab technology, either because they&#039;re actually using 40-year-old machines, or because they&#039;ve never seen any reason to.  I used to buy Arabic-language Schweppes sodas in New Haven that had the older tab type.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, just saw this post &#8211; I think this is probably to do with the fact that Coke is bottled not by the Coca Cola company, but by various regional bottling companies.  This is mentioned in the Wikipedia article as well.  So it&#8217;s likely that the regional bottler simply hasn&#8217;t &#8220;upgraded&#8221; to the new tab technology, either because they&#8217;re actually using 40-year-old machines, or because they&#8217;ve never seen any reason to.  I used to buy Arabic-language Schweppes sodas in New Haven that had the older tab type.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.vestaldesign.com/blog/2007/07/pull-tab-coke-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-105209</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juxtaposition?  Give us a break, man!  It all seems like &quot;small beer&quot; compared to nuclear waste; wars all over the world; abysmal human rights violations by superpowers Russia, USA, &amp; China...global warming; population explosion, food &amp; water shortages, etc. Hop onto a more urgent bandwagon, ma friend. Besides, Coke&#039;s bad for you anyway. Drink spring water. They do have that on the West Coast, right? George Carlin says it better: &quot;The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. Been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We&#039;ve been here, what, a hundred thousand? Maybe two hundred thousand?...[and] we have the CONCEIT to think that somehow we&#039;re a threat?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juxtaposition?  Give us a break, man!  It all seems like &#8220;small beer&#8221; compared to nuclear waste; wars all over the world; abysmal human rights violations by superpowers Russia, USA, &#038; China&#8230;global warming; population explosion, food &#038; water shortages, etc. Hop onto a more urgent bandwagon, ma friend. Besides, Coke&#8217;s bad for you anyway. Drink spring water. They do have that on the West Coast, right? George Carlin says it better: &#8220;The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. Been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We&#8217;ve been here, what, a hundred thousand? Maybe two hundred thousand?...[and] we have the CONCEIT to think that somehow we&#8217;re a threat?&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: adrian is rad &#187; china</title>
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		<dc:creator>adrian is rad &#187; china</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pull tab coke cans! I can&#8217;t believe [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] pull tab coke cans! I can&#8217;t believe [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m guessing that after health and safety reasons forbid pull tabs in the States, soda companies sold off their pull tab equipment to China and other third world countries. Countries where public safety is not so much a priority and lawyers don&#039;t sue as often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing that after health and safety reasons forbid pull tabs in the States, soda companies sold off their pull tab equipment to China and other third world countries. Countries where public safety is not so much a priority and lawyers don&#8217;t sue as often.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Pfund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Pfund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! That Coke link is pretty comprehensive. I can certainly envision archaeologists some day using this site to &quot;carbon date&quot; garbage dumps created by us. : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! That Coke link is pretty comprehensive. I can certainly envision archaeologists some day using this site to &#8220;carbon date&#8221; garbage dumps created by us. : )</p>
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